"The known plus the unknown is the truth; this plus That is satya.

"So this division is very meaningful, significant. Without giving it any name we simply call it this and That. Whatsoever science can know is this, and whatsoever science cannot know is That. Science is concerned with this, and religion is concerned with That. That's why between science and religion there is no meeting, and there cannot be really. That meeting is in a way impossible. This cannot become That. That means all which transcends – that which is always beyond. The very beyondness is That. So they cannot have a meeting – and yet they are not separate, yet there is no gap, there is no gulf. So how to understand it?

"It is like this: darkness and light never meet, yet they are not separate. Where light ends, darkness begins. There is no gap – yet they never meet, yet they never overlap. They cannot. Where light ends, darkness begins. Where light is, darkness is not. Where darkness is, light is not. They never overlap, they never meet and yet there is no gap, there is no distance. They never meet, yet they are very near. The boundary of one is the boundary of the other also. There is really no gap at all.

"The same is the phenomenon with this and That – the world, this; and the truth, That – they never meet, they never overlap, yet there is no gap. In a way they are always meeting somewhere, because where one ends the other begins – yet there is no overlapping. Light can grow more, then the darkness will go further away. Science can know more, but whatsoever it knows becomes this. The That goes further away, it can never touch it – yet is just on the boundary. It is there just by the corner where it ends. To call it That means it is far away – beyond, transcending.

"The this is very near; That is far away. This is known by our senses, intellect, mind. We already know it. Our knowledge, our mind, has a focus. The realm upon which this focus falls is this; the beyond is That."