"No, just because I was silent. Not to be in it is not enough to be innocent. I was not in it, but it would not have happened if I was not in silence."

Why were…?

"I was silent for my own reason. I was not silent for Sheela and her gang; I was silent for my own reasons. I always wanted to remain silent for a long period. Even then I was not ready or willing to speak again. It was just seeing the situation that I had to come out of silence.

"So certainly I blame myself, but not only for Sheela. If by my being silent I am responsible for Sheela, then by not being born in Germany while Hitler was there, I am responsible. The same logic."

You mean that seriously?

"Seriously? Why was I not born in Germany while Hitler was there? Then I am responsible for the whole criminal history of humanity.

"You are making me a god, and I am a simple human being."

I wouldn't agree with that, because there's a lot of cult surrounding you and cult basically leads always to a certain kind of blindness.

"There is no cult surrounding me. Your eyes must be blind."

But at least your disciples…

"There are no disciples here; they are my friends. And I am nobody's leader, so make yourself clear about it."

Is the dream to live now and today without thinking of the future gone? I mean, at least it showed that it was not working, not thinking of the future. If you would have been thinking on the future, it would have been revealed what Sheela was doing.

"No. The future is not predetermined, as almost all the religions have been preaching and conditioning people's minds to believe. If the future is determined, then it can be known. If it is not determined, it cannot be known, not even the moment before, what is going to happen.

"And I say that the future is not determined; there is no God to determine it. And it is good that it is not determined, because that is our basis for freedom. Certainly freedom brings its own responsibilities."